@dmavrakis: Are cost savings >> cultural and integration problems for mobile network sharing? -
@KimKLarsen: (1) I have come to believe that for #NetworkSharing to be successful/sustainable it needs to provide more than "just" cost saving
@KimKLarsen: (2) Often Operators gets blinded of saving Potential and forget UPFRONT Cash requirements and Restructuring Cost needed!
@dmavrakis: Very interesting! Seems all discussion on network sharing is on benefits, but not on challenges or threats.
@KimKLarsen: (3) TMUK-H3G 3G sharing was about doing a lot more than they could standalone (for same or better TCO), EE Ltd formula similar,
@KimKLarsen: (4) PTC-Or PL Deploy incredible strong SHARED 2&3&4G network across! Poland (would not have been financially feasible standalone)
@dmavrakis: Agreed. Strong drive for single deployed nationwide network+sharing for LTE or any new RAN tech.
@KimKLarsen: (5) Negatives of ?#Networksharing? (a) upfront cash required, (b) helping competition (e.g., H3G-UK), (c) strategic lock-in,
@KimKLarsen: (6) (d) Complex governance (e) Complex & COSTLY disentanglement (f) loss of operational independence (g) asymmetric benefits etc
@dmavrakis: I would hate to think what disentanglement means in an active RAN sharing deal...
@KimKLarsen: (7) Doing more network for same/less TCO compared to standalone is a MUCH Easier case for ?#Networksharing? than just cost saving!
@KimKLarsen: ;-) There are no easy/clean Divorces! but Disentanglement of Active RAN Share w. Spectrum Sharing would be Mother of Messiness!
@dmavrakis: Is it even possible? I feel sorry for the person in charge of such a divorce :-)
@KimKLarsen: Though the lawyers would have a field day with Disentangling an Active RAN Share JV ;-) ....
@dmavrakis: Indeed! Patent litigation and network sharing divorces. Lawyers' dream cases!
@KimKLarsen: (8) Overlooked in ?#Networksharing?: (i) instant cell split=more capacity, (ii) improved coverage, (iii) Spectral efficiency boost
@dmavrakis: Very interesting! Seems all discussion on network sharing is on benefits, but not on challenges or threats.
@Gabeuk: Biggest issue I've heard for #Networksharing is the competitive dynamic -- you need to be more or less equal size
@KimKLarsen: Well then TMUK & Three UK must have been a mistake! ;-) ... Smaller party has much more to gain from sharing that's true!
@KimKLarsen: An important consideration as is the possible asymmetry! but I would not say it's the Biggest Issue nor a Blocking Stone!
@KimKLarsen: As the saying goes: "Money Makes Strange Bed Fellows" ;-) & cost savings do (often) take precedent over market dynamics.
@twehmeier: Interesting to see if agreement unwinds with transition to LTE, a la Sweden. Or are there commitments?
@Gabeuk: TMoUK and 3UK were the two smallest outfits at the time... so it worked for both of them
@Gabeuk: TeliaSonera wanted out of the deal, hence push to LTE. Telenor wont share in Norway, but will in Sweden
@Gabeuk: O2 and Vodafone are RAN sharing in the UK because they are roughly equal size; other combinations couldn't be agreed
@KimKLarsen: It is a highly asymmetric venture in terms of respective market shares and network size -> Size does Not matter too much!
@KimKLarsen: There are no other options in UK for meaningful network sharing! O2/VF needs higher net density to remain competitive!
@KimKLarsen: I just don't believe that Size Matters ;-) is a very important consideration for #Networksharing ...
@dmavrakis: Indeed, VF/O2 can't compete against MBNL's site density on a standalone basis!
@KimKLarsen: The only way O2 & VF could create a network in equal size to EEs in a meaningful economical way is to share their grids!
@Gabeuk: TMo, 3UK, and Orange all needed scale -- hence those combinations, and why VF and O2 sat aside
@Gabeuk: yes, the emergence of EE has changed the telco landscape in the UK
@KimKLarsen: (1) Changes in spectrum strength/position (low vs high freq) between partners might trigger an unwind.
@KimKLarsen: (2) though more likely than unwind would be downgrade from active to passive/site sharing!
@disruptivedean: Issue I see is around flexibility, eg if one MNO's customer profile has v different usage patterns
@dmavrakis: That may be in favor or active sharing. E.g. if busy hours or traffic patterns are different
@disruptivedean: Yes, but might be mix of signalling vs. "tonnage" intense, indoor/outdoor mix, specific geo's etc
@disruptivedean: ie network-sharing puts constraints on business models, customer targets, mktg propositions etc
@dmavrakis: Not sure if network sharing has effect beyond the network dept of MNO.
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@sadinmobile: Interesting - from experience "network" sharing should be strictly limited to a very short term or site/antenna sharing only..
@KimKLarsen: how do you get to that conclusion/experience? Particular the very short term statement? At odds with the economics!
@sadinmobile: After traffic levels pick up, networks will split anyway, until then it's nothing but tech issues and politics, s/t <5y
@KimKLarsen: 2+ yrs to get a shared network, spending abundant on integration & restructuring, w. <3 yrs to recover! Hmmm ;-)
@KimKLarsen: Though this said (1) I do agree that most of the Opex savings are in site related Opex incl. Ops/field services!
@KimKLarsen: (2) substantial Capex savings/avoidance can be achieved as well … doing so much more for the same amount of cash!
@KimKLarsen: and (3) network sharing is so much more than technology … it’s about marketing too … though politics! YEAHHH that too!
@sadinmobile: site/antenna sharing should def be done for many reasons. Also fibre backhaul sharing is a must for larger landscapes.
@KimKLarsen: particular last point is a really important one for LTE and HSPA+ where legacy backhaul falls short of air-interface!
@KimKLarsen: Few operators have the financial strength & infrastructure to standalone finance FTTS: backhaul sharing is important!
@KimKLarsen: And as backhaul FTTS is shared, so does site sharing jump out as a natural corollary.